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		<title>Comment on Obama disapproval rising&#8230; by timeforthorns</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/obama-disapproval-rising/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>timeforthorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think so, even accounting for those on the far left who are whining that the Constitution hasn&#039;t been repealed yet, just ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think so, even accounting for those on the far left who are whining that the Constitution hasn&#8217;t been repealed yet, just ignored.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama disapproval rising&#8230; by Slamdunk</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/obama-disapproval-rising/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamdunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>47% approval among the Democrats?  That is a meaningful stat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>47% approval among the Democrats?  That is a meaningful stat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TARP fiction&#8230; by rjjrdq</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/tarp-fiction/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>rjjrdq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;excess&quot;??? Now that&#039;s a laugh. Excess money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;excess&#8221;??? Now that&#8217;s a laugh. Excess money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Party crashers or not? by timeforthorns</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/party-crashers-or-not/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>timeforthorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, politicians do have their pictures taken with all sorts of people, which Pres. Obama has discovered after claiming he saw former Gov. Blago only once at a distance.  But to get even a grip and grin photo, you have to have been passed up onto a list from the vast great unwashed.  I expect this couple found entrance easier in Chicago than it might be elsewhere,  but having been to the White House myself a number of years ago, the only reason I can think of how they could get into the White House is to have been cleared by a White House staffer, who technically outrank the Secret Service in such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, politicians do have their pictures taken with all sorts of people, which Pres. Obama has discovered after claiming he saw former Gov. Blago only once at a distance.  But to get even a grip and grin photo, you have to have been passed up onto a list from the vast great unwashed.  I expect this couple found entrance easier in Chicago than it might be elsewhere,  but having been to the White House myself a number of years ago, the only reason I can think of how they could get into the White House is to have been cleared by a White House staffer, who technically outrank the Secret Service in such matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Party crashers or not? by l</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/party-crashers-or-not/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably b/c he didn&#039;t know who they were. There&#039;s a whole bunch of photos of these photo-hungry dolts with other politicos, including Mark Warner, Tim kaine, etc. don&#039;t know if i noticed any republicans in their large collection of politicos though. savanna guthrie of nbc news had a piece which showed all the pictures, and it included this one with the black eyed peas from 05.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably b/c he didn&#8217;t know who they were. There&#8217;s a whole bunch of photos of these photo-hungry dolts with other politicos, including Mark Warner, Tim kaine, etc. don&#8217;t know if i noticed any republicans in their large collection of politicos though. savanna guthrie of nbc news had a piece which showed all the pictures, and it included this one with the black eyed peas from 05.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cloward-Piven Government&#8230; by timeforthorns</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/cloward-piven-government/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>timeforthorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the opinion that a 2 or 3 year moratorium on nearly all immigration would be smart.  After all, we&#039;re still allowing 165,000 a month into the USA.  Anyone who thinks progressives actually care about Americans only has to look at the open borders-anything goes agenda to see the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that a 2 or 3 year moratorium on nearly all immigration would be smart.  After all, we&#8217;re still allowing 165,000 a month into the USA.  Anyone who thinks progressives actually care about Americans only has to look at the open borders-anything goes agenda to see the truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cloward-Piven Government&#8230; by brittanicus</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/cloward-piven-government/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>brittanicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>House Immigration Subcommittee Ranking Member Steve King R-IA, with Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith R-TX led a forum, questioning whether all immigration should be stopped--legal and illegal, until the country was back from unemployment insolvency. E-Verify could become mandatory if NumbersUSA President Roy Beck&#039;s urgent plea be recognized by Congressional conferees, who listened intently to the horrendous jobless statistics of American workers. Evidence was provided that unemployment was steadily climbing, beyond a 12.8 rate and millions of people were looking to the US government for relief of some kind? Within a group of professionals and academic groups testifying was Dr. Steven Camarota, Vanderbilt Political Science professor Dr. Carol Swain, and Jerry Kammer an investigative reporter with the Copley News Service.

Kammer stated,&quot; Here is strong evidence that the company had a preference for illegal immigrants because they were more likely to accept low wages and poor conditions and they were vulnerable to what a federal court called the company’s “intense and widespread coercion” aimed at defeating the union’s organizing efforts.&quot; This has become widespread problem throughout the US, which seems to be accepted by many politicians. He also described the aftermath of raids at Swift six plants. He said, &quot;All six facilities resumed work on the day of the raids, though at a reduced pace. To replenish its depleted ranks, Swift launched a campaign to recruit American citizens, green card holders, and refugees. It raised wages, provided bonuses to new workers, and paid relocation expenses. As a result, all the Swift plants were able to resume full production within four or five months. Kammer also detailed the industries’ response to the ICE raids that provided an opportunity to test the claim, often heard in the immigration discussions which many US companies have to employ illegal immigrants because Americans are unwilling to do the work?  Kammer however, observed that the raids had a profound traumatic experience for the illegal families that were affected by the raids.  BUT IT IS ALSO MADE CLEAR THAT ENFORCEMENT HAD A POSITIVE EFFECT IN THE LIVES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS WHO NEEDED AND WANTED THE JOBS—ANY JOBS?

The group all determined that unemployment in American was so bad that all jobs being held by unauthorized employees, if vacated by enforcement, would be filled readily? Dr. Swain&#039;s testimony focused on the impact of immigration, specifically illegal immigration, had on Black and Hispanic Americans who were in the legal workforce?  Dr. Camarota&#039;s testimony focused on the fact that there is no evidence of a worker shortage at the bottom end of the labor market. He also said that there is a huge supply of less-educated workers, and it&#039;s that group that&#039;s been most affected by the current job recession. Kammer&#039;s testimony had focused on the positive impact that work-site enforcement raids have had on American workers. He talked about how the raid at the world&#039;s largest pork processing plant in Smithfield, North Carolina freed up jobs for African Americans. It seems that, &quot;jobs Americans won&#039;t do anymore&quot; doesn&#039;t hold water? As Krammer added, &quot;I was frequently told by current and former Swift workers, these are jobs Americans are willing to do--if they are provided decent wages and working conditions.&quot;

In final deliberations Kammer stated, “We have often heard from farmers in California and Arizona that if they improved wages enough to attract legal labor, Americans would be confronted with the $5 head of lettuce. But agricultural economist Philip Martin destroyed that myth by showing that since fieldworkers’ wages account for only six percent of the retail cost of lettuce and other crops, their wages could rise sharply without a major effect at the checkout counter. Similarly, the labor of meatpacking workers accounts for only seven to nine percent of the retail cost of beef and pork. So if wages were increased by a third, the cost at the grocery story would only rise by three percent, at the most.&quot;

Unequivocally we must recall that when Comprehensive Immigration Reform was passed in 1986, that millions in agriculture and other poorly paid industry labor vanished, to only reappear in the mainstream of the job market, taking  jobs from low-skilled blacks, Caucasian and Hispanic workers. Employment normally open to senior citizens, students, single mothers, veterans suddenly disappeared, given as it was to the newcomers. E-VERIFY WILL NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? E-Verify will not be the whole answer, but random checks by Police using the 287(G) police law, to be trained in immigration rules of apprehension are a strong counterpart?  Then a much more streamlined E-Verify will deliver a nationwide commitment of ICE and immigration audits to do random checks on any business. It would keep pariah employers looking over their shoulder for agents of ICE. Popularity has grown with each upgrade of E-Verify and the need for expensive deportation could be a thing of the past? Penalties should not be lenient anymore and those employers, who take the risk of knowingly hiring illegal workers, should be dealt with severely.

In this disastrous recession our politicians must be savoring being unemployed themselves, if they force America into another Amnesty. How can they even conceive such an idea when so many of the legal population is wondering how they are going to feed their family? Every last one of them must be hounded down and told, DO NOT SIGN ON FOR A 2009-10 AMNESTY? THERE WILL BE NASTY REPERCUSSION IN THE VOTING BOOTH, STARTING WITH SENATOR HARRY REID OF NEVADA NEXT YEAR? MAJORITY SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI WILL BE CLOSE BEHIND FOR THE WRECKING BALL? Warn all politicians at 202-224-3121, or go to their offices in person. Read about corruption and sanctuary city policies at JUDICIAL WATCH. CAPWEB, ALIPAC, CAPSWEB, AMERICAN PATROL &amp; THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Tell them E-Verify must be made permanent, to start the &quot;ATTRITION&quot; enforcement procedure for every illegal worker in America? What can you do for AMERICA? YOU CAN USE YOUR VOTE! VOTING--OUT SEN. HARRY REID WILL BE A GOOD START AND ALARM THEM ALL! We cannot afford overpopulation growth, or corrupt politicians pandering to illegal immigrant and open border proponents anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House Immigration Subcommittee Ranking Member Steve King R-IA, with Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith R-TX led a forum, questioning whether all immigration should be stopped&#8211;legal and illegal, until the country was back from unemployment insolvency. E-Verify could become mandatory if NumbersUSA President Roy Beck&#8217;s urgent plea be recognized by Congressional conferees, who listened intently to the horrendous jobless statistics of American workers. Evidence was provided that unemployment was steadily climbing, beyond a 12.8 rate and millions of people were looking to the US government for relief of some kind? Within a group of professionals and academic groups testifying was Dr. Steven Camarota, Vanderbilt Political Science professor Dr. Carol Swain, and Jerry Kammer an investigative reporter with the Copley News Service.</p>
<p>Kammer stated,&#8221; Here is strong evidence that the company had a preference for illegal immigrants because they were more likely to accept low wages and poor conditions and they were vulnerable to what a federal court called the company’s “intense and widespread coercion” aimed at defeating the union’s organizing efforts.&#8221; This has become widespread problem throughout the US, which seems to be accepted by many politicians. He also described the aftermath of raids at Swift six plants. He said, &#8220;All six facilities resumed work on the day of the raids, though at a reduced pace. To replenish its depleted ranks, Swift launched a campaign to recruit American citizens, green card holders, and refugees. It raised wages, provided bonuses to new workers, and paid relocation expenses. As a result, all the Swift plants were able to resume full production within four or five months. Kammer also detailed the industries’ response to the ICE raids that provided an opportunity to test the claim, often heard in the immigration discussions which many US companies have to employ illegal immigrants because Americans are unwilling to do the work?  Kammer however, observed that the raids had a profound traumatic experience for the illegal families that were affected by the raids.  BUT IT IS ALSO MADE CLEAR THAT ENFORCEMENT HAD A POSITIVE EFFECT IN THE LIVES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS WHO NEEDED AND WANTED THE JOBS—ANY JOBS?</p>
<p>The group all determined that unemployment in American was so bad that all jobs being held by unauthorized employees, if vacated by enforcement, would be filled readily? Dr. Swain&#8217;s testimony focused on the impact of immigration, specifically illegal immigration, had on Black and Hispanic Americans who were in the legal workforce?  Dr. Camarota&#8217;s testimony focused on the fact that there is no evidence of a worker shortage at the bottom end of the labor market. He also said that there is a huge supply of less-educated workers, and it&#8217;s that group that&#8217;s been most affected by the current job recession. Kammer&#8217;s testimony had focused on the positive impact that work-site enforcement raids have had on American workers. He talked about how the raid at the world&#8217;s largest pork processing plant in Smithfield, North Carolina freed up jobs for African Americans. It seems that, &#8220;jobs Americans won&#8217;t do anymore&#8221; doesn&#8217;t hold water? As Krammer added, &#8220;I was frequently told by current and former Swift workers, these are jobs Americans are willing to do&#8211;if they are provided decent wages and working conditions.&#8221;</p>
<p>In final deliberations Kammer stated, “We have often heard from farmers in California and Arizona that if they improved wages enough to attract legal labor, Americans would be confronted with the $5 head of lettuce. But agricultural economist Philip Martin destroyed that myth by showing that since fieldworkers’ wages account for only six percent of the retail cost of lettuce and other crops, their wages could rise sharply without a major effect at the checkout counter. Similarly, the labor of meatpacking workers accounts for only seven to nine percent of the retail cost of beef and pork. So if wages were increased by a third, the cost at the grocery story would only rise by three percent, at the most.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unequivocally we must recall that when Comprehensive Immigration Reform was passed in 1986, that millions in agriculture and other poorly paid industry labor vanished, to only reappear in the mainstream of the job market, taking  jobs from low-skilled blacks, Caucasian and Hispanic workers. Employment normally open to senior citizens, students, single mothers, veterans suddenly disappeared, given as it was to the newcomers. E-VERIFY WILL NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? E-Verify will not be the whole answer, but random checks by Police using the 287(G) police law, to be trained in immigration rules of apprehension are a strong counterpart?  Then a much more streamlined E-Verify will deliver a nationwide commitment of ICE and immigration audits to do random checks on any business. It would keep pariah employers looking over their shoulder for agents of ICE. Popularity has grown with each upgrade of E-Verify and the need for expensive deportation could be a thing of the past? Penalties should not be lenient anymore and those employers, who take the risk of knowingly hiring illegal workers, should be dealt with severely.</p>
<p>In this disastrous recession our politicians must be savoring being unemployed themselves, if they force America into another Amnesty. How can they even conceive such an idea when so many of the legal population is wondering how they are going to feed their family? Every last one of them must be hounded down and told, DO NOT SIGN ON FOR A 2009-10 AMNESTY? THERE WILL BE NASTY REPERCUSSION IN THE VOTING BOOTH, STARTING WITH SENATOR HARRY REID OF NEVADA NEXT YEAR? MAJORITY SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI WILL BE CLOSE BEHIND FOR THE WRECKING BALL? Warn all politicians at 202-224-3121, or go to their offices in person. Read about corruption and sanctuary city policies at JUDICIAL WATCH. CAPWEB, ALIPAC, CAPSWEB, AMERICAN PATROL &amp; THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Tell them E-Verify must be made permanent, to start the &#8220;ATTRITION&#8221; enforcement procedure for every illegal worker in America? What can you do for AMERICA? YOU CAN USE YOUR VOTE! VOTING&#8211;OUT SEN. HARRY REID WILL BE A GOOD START AND ALARM THEM ALL! We cannot afford overpopulation growth, or corrupt politicians pandering to illegal immigrant and open border proponents anymore?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unhealthy health care bill&#8230; by rjjrdq</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/unhealthy-health-care-bill/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>rjjrdq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point, even the kool-aid drinkers have to see what will happen to them personally, their families, their loved ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point, even the kool-aid drinkers have to see what will happen to them personally, their families, their loved ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berlin Wall anniversary&#8230; by timeforthorns</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/berlin-wall-anniversary/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>timeforthorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialist or Marxist?  I have trouble deciding sometimes.  I suppose it&#039;s enough to recognize totalitarianism in whatever form it appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialist or Marxist?  I have trouble deciding sometimes.  I suppose it&#8217;s enough to recognize totalitarianism in whatever form it appears.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berlin Wall anniversary&#8230; by timeforthorns</title>
		<link>http://timeforthorns.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/berlin-wall-anniversary/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>timeforthorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I am extremely hostile to anyone seeking to turn my country into New Europe.  And Obama is heading to Asia this week.  He wasn&#039;t about to go to Berlin because whatever he said would be compared to Reagan&#039;s wall speech, and he knew it would be lacking.  He could have visited Fort Hood last week, as George and Laura Bush did.  He could have been in Berlin Monday and back at Fort Hood on Tuesday.  Let&#039;s face it, Obama didn&#039;t go to Berlin because he didn&#039;t want to, not because it would have been impossible.  And no, I would not have faulted him for going to celebrate the fall of the wall.  However, I&#039;m sure Pres. George H.W. Bush will be a fine representative for a country which had a large part in bringing it down.  And I can still fault him for being more concerned about his international constituency as you so nicely put it -- that&#039;s why he went to Berlin during the campaign, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I am extremely hostile to anyone seeking to turn my country into New Europe.  And Obama is heading to Asia this week.  He wasn&#8217;t about to go to Berlin because whatever he said would be compared to Reagan&#8217;s wall speech, and he knew it would be lacking.  He could have visited Fort Hood last week, as George and Laura Bush did.  He could have been in Berlin Monday and back at Fort Hood on Tuesday.  Let&#8217;s face it, Obama didn&#8217;t go to Berlin because he didn&#8217;t want to, not because it would have been impossible.  And no, I would not have faulted him for going to celebrate the fall of the wall.  However, I&#8217;m sure Pres. George H.W. Bush will be a fine representative for a country which had a large part in bringing it down.  And I can still fault him for being more concerned about his international constituency as you so nicely put it &#8212; that&#8217;s why he went to Berlin during the campaign, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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